Act II

     Mrs. Linde is pressing Nora more in this act than the first one. She came off as more of a hesitant person with an agenda in Act 1. When Mrs. Linde gets the sense that Nora isnt telling her everything that is going on she doesnt brush it off. When Nora directs Mrs. Linde into children's room after she hears Torvald approaching from the hall, Mrs. Linde says, "All right, but I'm not leaving this house until we have talked this thing through"(1144).

Reconsidering Team Nora

Ultimately, I know Nora is doing everything in order to protect her name and the household dynamic in tact. But the way she connives and flirts, even with her husband's best friend, makes me reconsider if Nora is truly sentimental or not. By pressuring Trovald to give the job to Krogstad, Nora willingly knows that the job will be taken away from her friend Kristine, who has nothing to live for and is dependent on this job. A sentimental person wouldn't throw her friend under the bus like that. Although she is in a difficult situation, I think everything Nora is doing is self centered.

Act 2

Act 2

Though I'm apart of team Nora I realize more and more how conniving Nora really is and that she is holding more than a financial secret away from her husband. I believe she may have cheated on her husband with Krogstad or the Doctor.

A Doll's House Act 2: Noelia Lara

In response to Act 2 i could say after speaking about Nora's childlike ways, she has yet once again proven she is that persuasive little skylark. Its seems so amazing to me the way she tries to get away from her problems and little lies she has created. She tries to involve her husband in her issue's and honestly I am starting to dislike this character. Although yesterday we discussed her being a good mother and using Torvalds money only for her families and home needs this clearly has gone beyond that. The way she tries to insist Travold on giving or keeping Krogstads placement shows she is in great need of something. This is triggering Travold to notice something fishy s going on. I could tell when he told Nora
"Helmer: My dear Nora, I can forgive this anxiety of yours, even though its insulting to me. It really is. Don't you think it's insulting to suggest that I should be afraid of retaliation from grubby pen-pusher?.."

As he asks her you could sense that he feels that she is being sort of rood and dishonest about something. In all respect she is going beyond her limits and her lies will come out pretty soon if she continues to try to fool her  husband. He might be blinded but he is certainly not stupid. I'm glad he decided to do the right thing with giving the job to Mrs.Linde.

at first i thought Nora was a silly blonde that was jus attention hungry. but shes actually a smart a women and definitely work well under pressure. she doesn't jus crumble........ The scene between Nora and Dr. Rank is a little interesting . Not only does it underscore the "pollution and infection" which a guilty parent can pass on to his children Nora being the guilt-ridden parent, Rank the victim of venereal disease  but it shows the youthful innocence of Nora. Accustomed to approaching her husband in a mood of adolescent flirtatiousness, Nora treats Dr. Rank the same way as she shows him her leg dressed in the new silk stockings....hmmmmm idk lol.

"A Doll's House Act II"
it seem that Nora many trouble in part act II
after she didn't connivence her husband not to fire to krogstad, she is really concern about her will reveal to Torvald  and the consequences that could result.

A Doll's House Act II

Nora's in a lot of trouble now.
After she failed to convince Torvald to let Krogstad keep his job, Krogstad came back with a threat just as he promised. On Tuesday in class we were discussing how Nora might be putting on a "dumb front" for Torvald... and here in act II it's very clear that's exactly what she does when distracts him from going to the mailbox... pretending not remember a single piece of the tarantella dance.

Also, I wasn't at all shocked when Dr. Rank revealed his secrets of love and care to Nora. After Mrs. Linde suggested that Nora was maybe having an affair with Dr. Rank I kind of thought that there some sort of feelings there.

I'm curious to see if they reveal what kind of relationship Mrs. Linde and Krogstad had back in the day. 

Act II

In Act II, Nora is harboring a major secret from her husband. She had previously forged her fathers signature a few days after his death. Nora is in fear that Krogstad will reveal this, she tries to convince Torvald not to fire him from the bank. Unable to save Krogstad's job, Nora is visited by him where he writes a letter to Torvald exposing Nora's fraud. Nora persuades Torvald into staying away from the letterbox as well as the letter from Krogstad.... For now.

A Doll's Dilemma: Act II

The second act introduces new plot threads that will surely come into play in the final act as the men are brought into focus and we see that there maybe more manipulations at play than those of Krogstad and Nora.

It was interesting to see that Nora recognizes the Electra factor that's at center of her relationship with Torvald as she tells Dr. Rank that "being with Torvald is like being with Papa" in her attempts to explain to Dr. Rank the many different ways people love one another. This implies that Nora does play into her husband's expectations of women being delicate, helpless, and dependent on men as opposed to actually fulfilling that stereotype.

Speaking of Torvald's expectations, we see now that he is a man who wants to be in complete control of his environment at all times so that everything fits his expectations of how things should be. We see this in the language of his 'compliments' to Nora and the living arrangement in the house with Nora kept separated from 

him when he has guests or works. During Nora's plea to keep Krogstad at the bank, we see that his ability to control maybe more important than anything else as he gradually loses his composure as Nora persists on keeping Krogsatd. Torvald does not want to be undermined by others, especially Nora as revealed when she calls him petty for his reasoning to not keep Krogstad, he quickly takes action to impose his authority by sending off the notice that Krogstad is fired. This harmless labeling by Nora and subsequent outrage reveals that Torvald is not as calm and collected as he appears to be, it in fact shows Torvald to be insecure or sensitive as Dr Rank puts it.

Nora's failure to save Krogstad's job should've ended the manipulations that have been in play, but now Krogstad has returned with a new goal to keep Nora under his control. While Nora rejects his manipulation, we see the possible emergence of a new manipulation as Dr. Rank is later shown to seemingly instruct Torvald in how he handles his wife. Is this a secret plot by both Torvald and Dr. Rank?

A Doll's House: Act II

I noticed a bit of ignorance on Nora's part in the beginning of act 2 when she refers to Doctor Ranks' illness due to his fathers misdeeds.
 
Nora calls Kristine over to have her help with her dress. This is her friend that she has neglected to keep in contact with and this is what she does when they finally see each other. They're both using each other for their own personal benefit. Same as Doctor Rank who is supposed to be Torvald's best friend but he's flirting and admitting his feelings he's kept for Nora.

a dolls house act 2

Well they say till death do us part and it seems like Nora is trying her hardest not to let her husband find out about what she did. I think as much of a problem as it might be to tell Torvald the truth, why not? all the secrecy and actions taking place would be less severe if she just admitted to borrowing the money. I mean it was for a good cause, to save his life when he was ill. If it hurts his pride then so be it, he makes plenty of money now anyway

"A Doll's House" Act 2

I think that Rank really love Nora. In Henrik Ibsen's "A Doll's House",  Rank says, "Please don't punish me that way. Give me permission to do anything forr you that a man can do" (1149). Rank is willing to do anything for Nora, he would even sacrifice himself for Nora.

Kristel Encarnacion's Analysis of "A dolls Housed" Act 2

In act two of this play there are a lot more things going on. It has now  become more apparent to me that when Nora uses the same "cute" or pet like names to refer to herself she has an ulterior motive. She knows that if she acts as if she is fond of the names he calls her he in turn will give in more easily to her desires. As this play goes on I have observed that almost every character has a secret they are hiding, for example Dr.Rank and his hidden love for Nora, Krogstad dark past etc. In this act we continue to see how Nora can be a doll in this play, Torvald enjoys the idea of a beautiful home and a neat appearance but Nora also tells Mrs. Linde that Torvald hates the sight of sewing its quite a contradiction.Its as if he would rather her do nothing and just sit there and look pretty. The other main thing I noticed in this act was how the relationship between Nora and Torvalds resembles the one of child and parent. She often pouts when she wants things in a child like matter, and when she has done something wrong she is afraid Torvald will find out. Nora being afraid that Toravld will find the letter in the mail is similar to when  a child is trying to hide a bad grade on their report card.

Act II .. Kerry

Nora is actually kind of swift under pressure. She literally curved Trovald's plan of checking the mail. Although that she makes things very obvious, this woman is no fool. She knows when to spring into action. For example, covering up her fear of Krogstad in the mist of the argument trying to sway his actions, preventing him from leaving the letter. Although, showing no fear did her no good. She does at times lose her sense of faith speaking to Linde but knows how to step up. Putting myself in Nora's shoes, I probably couldn't of done anything better, considering the situation she is in.

act 2

In this act Nora is afraid that torvald will find out about her lie, she's put to test because she is unsure if her marriage will fall apart of get better. I also think her response to Krogstad's letter was pretty surprising she is unsure of what will happen next.

I also believe the party is a way to distract Nora from everything that is going on around her,for the party she is wearing a costume and playing a role, which is not much difference from what she already does everyday. Nora's dress needing repair can stand as a symbol to her life, like she is old and torn she cant fix the problem herself so she hands the dress for someone else to fix like she does with her problems.

Theres a lot of interesting things about Nora and who she could truly be.

ACT II

When Nora flirts with Dr. Ranks, this shows Nora's desperation to keep her secret. Although she had good intentions, what she did was wrong. I think she is seeing this more now since her husband is so serious about firing Krogstad without givng him a second chance. When Nora said that she has "Thirty one hours to live" I think she refers to the moments before her secret gets blown.

Act II of A Doll's House

I wonder what is the miracle that Nora is waiting for. I feel like she is going to do something very drastic. I really hope she doesn't have any plans of killing Krogstad. I also wonder if Dr.Rank's love for Nora will somehow cause him to sacrifice himself to save her from her troubles.
A question I have is how did Dr.Rank's lifestyle cause Dr.Rank's tuberculosis in his spine.

A Doll's House Act 2

Nora is afraid of what Krogstad will do if/when she gets fired. She is trying to protect her husband because she doesn't want him to find out about the money she borrowed from him. I found Ms Linde's observation about Dr Rank and Nora's relationship very funny and interesting. The fact that she has the slightest doubt that he could be that rich guy Nora fantasized about was very perceptive. I would've never thought of that.

Act II of A Doll's House

Towards the last part of Act II when Nora says that she has thirty one hours to live, I interpreted in two ways.  I think that Nora might have plans to commit suicide in order to maybe free Torvald from taking the fault for her actions. But on the other hand, I think that Nora is using it metaphorically to say that her life will be over and she will be living a new life . A life where her marriage with Torvald will be destroyed and where she will separated from her children and placed behind bars. I sympathize with Nora's character because her intentions were good, she risked it all to save her husband and now she has to suffer possibly jail time and a life without her family. 

A Doll's House Act 1

Torvald and Nora's have a very typical marriage. They have a nice marriage because they balance each other out. Nora works very hard to keep her family happy. As usual her work goes un noticed. I was upset when Ms Linde asked Nora what she had done because Nora was just a housewife. She assumed Nora has had no worries or burdens. I respect Nora's selflessness when she spoke about not seeing her father before his passing. She had to save her husbands life for the sake of her family.

A Doll's House, Act II

In Act II, Nora seems to be in a larger sticky situation than Act I. I sort of feel bad for her, as things are going wrong left and right. I think she's a big drastic and exagerates her actions- but I see she is just trying to save her husband and herself from humiliation. I find it funny that she was sewing in the beginning of this act, just like how she is trying to repair the situation she is in, as well.

A Doll's House Act II, Shaquesha Smith

In the II act in the play A Doll's House by Henrik Ibsen the first thing I noticed was the mood is completely different. It went from being easy going to suspenseful. I wasn't worried about what was going to happen to Nora because she has this influence on people. I assumed she would find a way to fix what she did but in act II things just get worse for her. As Nora says "Of course he can't be serious about it. I have three little children." (1141). Nora is talking about the visit she had with Krogstad in act I when he threatened to tell her husband about the loan and take the note to court. Another interesting thing that happens towards the end of act II is when Dr. Rank confesses his love for Nora as Dr. Rank says "To love you just as much as somebody else does? Is that so horrible?" (1149). I find this very interesting because in earlier pages Mrs. Linde thinks Dr. Rank and Nora are involved as Mrs. Linde says "You'd better stop all this with doctor Rank." (1143).

"A Doll's House" Act III. Diana Barbecho

After reading the third part of "A Doll's House" i can feel that Nora is very nervous about what can happen if Helmer get to know the true about the money she got borrowed from Krogstad. The scene is very tense and Nora is very good acting as if nothing happens when her husband tries to question her.

Another part that capture my attention is when Doctor Rank tells Nora about his feelings for her. It is not weird as Mrs. Kristine says because Doctor Rank is always in Helmer's house so since Nora is treated like a kid she thinks that Dr. Rank's love is just as a friend which i think is not.

Besides Nora getting nervous and her friend advising and helping her to get ride of Kingston, i think that Nora should not be making a big deal because she knew what is going to happen and is so innocent of her part that she did not even notice that day she wrote on the paper the wrong day when she signed it.
If Krogstad left the letter in the mailbox Nora should leave it there so Helmer can finally read it, people say the sooner the better. So, i can also say is that  Nora should tell him what is going on since either way or not that will bring problems if Helmer doesn't get to give him the position he wants.

Team Nora

I believe that Nora is a  sympathetic charter, because she does what she has to in order to help her husband and make her family stay together. Although she has lied to her husband she does her best and stands her ground. I believe she is also very caring to stay by her husband and cares and nurture her kids . Although she had to take out a loan to make this trip to Italy , she wants her holiday to be great. Taking out a loan with out her husbands permission is illegal around this time.

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A Doll's House- Eyosyas

This play has a lot going on for the first Act. Elements such as irony, deceit and ulterior motives run ramped thru this story. I can't decide who to side with. The whole town depicts Krogstad as a crook and an overall morally corrupt person. I was eager to find out why that is. After he tells Nora about his fraudulent signature, which Nora is guilty of doing against him,  I started to think maybe he did it out of "love" too. I find Nora's notion of the legal system using love as a provision to absolve legal wrong doings extremely comical. Maybe in a court case with a jury, and a good lawyer present, the love argument might sway some of the jury but still, forging a signature is a huge crime since a person's signature carries so much weight. I do agree with Helmer's standpoint on Krogstad's actions. Everyone makes mistakes but you have to admit you're wrong and take the punishment for it. Lying to everyone and being deceitful makes you look like a snake. One line that stuck with me, stated by Hemer, was, "Because an atmosphere of lies infects and poisons thew whole life of a home. Every breath the children take in a house like that is full of the germs of moral corruption" (1140). That line resented in Norma's ears because its clearly evident how fond she is of her children. She doesn't want to be a bad influence by any means. Going back to Krogstad, maybe he seems like a snake trying to bribe Nora about her forged signature in order to keep his job. But is he wrong? He faced the same adversity she's going thru. He just wants to reestablish his name and get some minute spec of respect back from the community. Now Nora is between a rock and a hard place. In my opinion, I think Nora should tell Helmer about the loan she took instead of Krogstad using it as a ploy to keep his job. But then again, Krogstad will out her to the world in regards to her fraudulent actions. I can't wait to read how this dilemma transpires!

The story is about a Torvald Helmer and his family. The story speaks volumes on gender roles, self-sacrifice, and the dynamics on families.  

I believe this play is really good. This play is about a couple named Nora and Tolvard  a happy coupled that play the conventional roles of husband and wife. In the play you can see that the man is the one that works hard and the woman is the one that wants to spend the money. Years and Years ago man used to be responsible for all the obligations of supporting the house and women had to clean coke and take care of the kids. My questions are do we believe that nowadays we see that? . I love so far the play J

Team Torvald(Nov. 27 in-class post)

In response to this post, please state why do you think Torvald, in Ibsen's A Doll's House, is a sympathetic character? Be sure to provide specific examples in MLA format in your response.  You may use information you've included in your post on Act I for this activity.

Team Nora (Nov.27 in-class post and/or response)

In response to this post, please state why do you think Nora, in Ibsen's A Doll's House, is a sympathetic character? Be sure to provide specific examples in MLA format in your response. You may use information you've included in your post on Act I for this activity.

A Doll's House Act I

Why on Earth does Helmer continuously make petty remarks about Nora... to her face? He keeps calling her a creature which is another way of saying and animal. Then he refers to her a "creature who spends money." Seriously, am I crazy for thinking that's so wrong?

This first act definitely shows how the gender roles are played here.

First of, Nora speaks to Helmer like he owns her... like he's her master. There's a woman being passive and submissive. Then you have Helmer talking to Nora like she's his pet. And the biggest gender issue here is how Nora is obsessed with spending money and how she doesn't know how to save any.

Now my second question is... if they were so money tight on money.. how did they afford to have house help? Before Helmer got his big break they said they were in a tough situation with money... but then Helmer just hands Nora another $40 dollars to spend. That doesn't make any sense.

" Doll's House by Henrik Ibsen "


In this story we can see many interesting things, like for instance Nora the female character keeps secret to her husband  who is sick. And nora keeps in secret that she a loan she got because of the condition of her husband illness. Nora in certain way is showing us that women scarifies themselves to save what they love. also we see that the female character is risking everything she has so can have what she wants. so that concern that she doesn't realize what she has signed and the consequences that can be.

A Doll's House

Wow. So far I am really enjoying this. It is so well written and easy to play in your head. My favorite part has to be the exchange at the end of Act I, when Torvald is telling Nora all about Krogstad and what he was guilty of. I like how Mr. Helmer is telling his wife how he feels about people like Krogstad and how he is essentially talking about her. Good stuff.

Post on play act 1

This play is very interesting because it focuses on the gender roles we've talked about in class. The wife Nora like many other wives in those times and even now were seeing as sex toys. The husband calls her by playful names because he sees her like a doll. Little does he know that she saved his life. At the beginning of the act Nora is stereotyped as the housewife who only has to worry about looking pretty and domestic chores and who goes around spending money as we read on we find out that there's more to her and that she is strong and she sacrificed herself for the ones she loved.

A Dolls House, Pt1

Well its clear that Nora is spending money and enjoys to take and take from her husband knowing he will willingly give in. But while reading this i understood that for some reason Torvald wants to give his wife the money because from i can conclude he thinks that “Nora, my Nora, that is just like a woman”. This is playing a gender role here and while hes making all the money and shes just shopping and spending to make the house look all nice. Its as if Torvald is the doll being manipulated by his wife and while he gathers the money and is suppose to be the man, this is not the case. The doll house is in fact controlled by the puppeteer being Nora.

A Doll's House Act 1

What I gathered from act 1 is that Nora seems to be very self centered and materialistic. She just bitches and moans until she gets her way (money from her husband).

A dolls House/ Analysis By Kristel Encarnacion

"A dolls House" By  Henrik Ibsen

At the beginning of this act we meet a woman named Nora, she has come home apparently after spending a day shopping. We are told that she owes the porter money and although that bit of information may seem insignificant, I believe that is the first show of how money will be a big topic in the play. Nora arrives home where we are introduced to Torvald, Nora tells him that she wants to show him all she has bought and in a jokingly matter he calls her a "spendthrift". Although he called her a "spendthrift " in a jokingly matter we may ask ourselves whether there was an underlying message. As the play progresses Torvald begins to complain a little about her spending habits and she replies that now that he is being promoted they can afford to splurge. From the beginning money seems to be taking one of the major roles in the play. Torvald even makes reference to her gender and that being the reason behind her ignorance towards money managing, "Nora, my Nora, that is just like a woman"(ibsen).  In a sense I can see how the word doll could fit in this play, Torvald treats Nora like a doll at times, a piece of property that is meant to beautify his home. Despite Torvald disagreeing with his wives money managing  he gives her more when she pouts only to see her happy resembling a parent to child relationship. It is an interesting play and we will have to read on to see where the first act leads.

Doll house Act 1

I think the play has a twist to it and the spotlight is put on money even the couple seems to be wealthy because they have a maid and can fix their finical problems so easy. In the poem although the family has money the husband seems to want to spend it wisely unlike his wife who just wants to spend  because she has the money too.

 I also believe both characters are trying to portray what it is a woman represents to a man and vise versa. I believe the male character is playing a dominant possessive role like what is excepted of a man. The wife which is only called by her name when her husband is scolding her, is treated like a little girl in a sense

A Doll's House: Act I

I find it very ironic in the beginning of the play, the couple talk about their financial issues but yet they have a maid.

Nora seems a little childlike to me. She's desperate for approval when she's trying to prove to Kristine that she isn't useless. She does almost everything she's told and obeys her husband. But now that she sees how Helmer feels about Krogstad's crime she's now worried about how he would feel if he were to find out that she's done the same thing. Which reflects when a child has done something bad they're afraid to tell their parent because of the punishment/ disappointment the parent may feel. I also see the irony of the title "A doll's house" while it describes all the lies and deceit that has taken place.

question after reading "A Doll's House" Act 1

In " A Doll's House" written by Henrik Ibsen, what is the position of Nora in her Family? Is she in a low position? Does Helmer really respect and love Nora?

DOLL HOUSE

" Free. To be free, absolutely free. To spend time playing with the children. To have a clean, beautiful house, the way Torvald likes it." I found this quote most interesting......shes having a  conversation with Mrs. Linde in Act One, Nora claims that she will be “free” after the New Year after she has paid off her debt to Krogstad. She claims that freedom will give her time to be a mother and a traditional wife who maintains a beautiful home, as her husband likes it. As the play continues, Nora becomes increasingly aware that she must change her life to find true freedom, and her understanding of the word “free” changes. By the end of the play, she sees that freedom takes independence from societal constraints and the ability to explore her own personality, goals, and beliefs... i also thing that the toys nora buys for her children symbolizes somethng. 

A Doll's House. Diana Barbecho

Act I of  "A Doll's House" capture my attention. It is very interesting to read how a woman does everything to save his husband's life but at the same it concerns me that she did not read the complete paper she signed. People are supposed to read every paper they get in order of signed and agree with the main points of it. 
Another  important point in "A Doll's House" is the husband's attitude, he is very gentle with his wife. He is worried of his family's well-being. He clearly knows he is the man who has to support the family so he makes efforts to keep them happy and full of love.

When Nora speaks to Krogstad she gets very worried because he awares Nora that he could open his mouth if she does not help him to get his job back. So he could tell Nora's husband that she got the money from him and not from her dad as Helmer thinks. Here,  Nora even gets more worried because Helmer questions Nora and he says that kids who have a dishonest mother are usually corrupt when they grow.
Since Helmer doesn't know anything about the money Nora is preoccupaid because then nothing would be the same as it is now.

This is a gender inequality because the one that is the breadwinner is Helmer and for him just knowing that his wife got borrowed money to help him could be very disappointing. He would not feel that masculine as he feels now. He is supposed to be the strongest and only breadwinner not his wife. She just have to stay home and take care of the kids while he makes money.

Act I of A Doll's House

    I do like Nora's character, even though she is hiding important information from her husband, but this was to better his health. The other things that she is fibbing about are just little white lies that every couple tell each other as not to let the other person do e.g. eating the macaroons. Nora is risking everything that she has just so that she can have the man that she loves with her. She does not seem to fully understand the consequences of signing the bond with Krogstad until he comes to her house and blackmails her to tell her husband to keep his job at the bank.
    This is an extremely tough situation to be in. To try and protect your husband from the deceitfulness that you have created by trying to persuade him to keep the man  that you created this deceitfulness with employed at the bank. I would not be able to carry on this type of lie as I am a complete worry wort and it would consume me to the point that my other half would see it on my face and I would have to run away or come clean. I can understand why Nora would want to run away. Sometimes it is easier to leave your troubles behind rather than face them. It does seem like a cowardly thing to do, but some people are not able to face the truth because it can be too painful for them knowing that they have let a person that they love down.
 

A Doll's Dilemma: Act I

The first act of Ibsen's A Doll's House sets the sakes as Nora Helmer has been blackmailed into helping Nils Krogstad keep his job at the local bank from both her friend Mrs. Linde and her husband Torvald. The most interesting aspect of the story at this stage is the characterisation of the Helmers, how they play off each other and inform the setting of the story.

The character of Torvald Helmer is depicted as the ideal family man who is devoted to his wife and does everything in the best interests of the family. Torvald is shown to be fiscally responsible as he makes a point to Nora about the importance of not having any debt and is cautious about how money is spent. Torvald is also shown to have a strong sense of moral values as he reveals to Nora that he despises those who partake in deception and fraud. These traits primarily serve to raise the stakes of Nora's dilemma, but also are also supposed to depict Torvald as a righteous character, which is not exactly the case.

The character of Nora Helmer is depicted as materialistic and naive, two traits that can be associated with irresponsible people or children. The story establishes that Nora grew up rich, spoiled by her father as pointed out by her friend Mrs. Linde, which goes a long way to explain the psychology and actions that placed her in her current dilemma. These traits of Nora serve as juxtaposition to Torvald to highlight the specific power dynamics present in their relationship.

Torvald's treatment of Nora is more akin to a father and daughter relationship than a husband and wife, with Torvald constantly showering Nora with "compliments". These "compliments" show that Torvald views women as fragile and helpless, not unlike that of children. The arrangement of how Torvald spends time working at home by isolating himself from Nora is similar to how adults separate themselves from children when having to deal with work or other adult responsibilities. Despite viewing women in a similar light as children, Torvald also holds women responsible for being the moral foundation of a family household as he blames Krogstad's mother for Krogstad being the deceiving character that he has become. Taking all this into consideration, we see that Torvald isn't as righteous or ideal of a man as depicted, he's merely the product of a patriarchal society.

With Nora's upbringing and relationship with Torvald, one would think that she is as helpless as a child, but we see that Nora is more capable than Torvald and Mrs. Linde give her credit for. Nora is revealed to be cunning as she was able to quickly manipulate Torvald into giving Mrs. Lindle a job just moments after learning that her friend was seeking employment. While this act of manipulation is impressive, it raises questions as to whether or not Nora is acting as a child with Torvald because that's what's expected of her. We see that she's able to make business arrangements on her own and pay back debt, showing her to be more mature than she lets on. In a bit of irony, Nora's dilemma arises from the fact that she took action alone in arranging the business deal with Krogstad than seeking the assistance of her father, which can be construed the result of short-sighted thinking or affirmation of Torvald's view of women.

Act I of A Doll's House by Henrik Ibsen

The character of Nora in A Doll's House represents the sacrificial role of women in society. Nora makes financial sacrifices to save her husband's life, but faces turmoil for doing such. Although Nora is economically advantaged with a husband who gives her everything she desires, she leads a difficult life. Society dictates Nora's husband Torvald as the dominant partner in the marriage, who is supposed to provide and support his family. Nora must hide her secret, of  borrowing a loan because she knows that her husband would be infuriated at the idea of his wife or any other women saving his life. The idea of masculinity as being self dependable and in control of one''s life is very important to a man. If Torvald uncovered Norah's secret he would feel his masculinity is being threatened or questioned as a man. Nora has to work to pay off her loan because it is illegal for a women to to get a loan without her husband's consent. Nora faces a double bind from the attitude of her husband and society because she is a women, sinking her deep into trouble and blackmail from Krogstad.

Act I of A Doll's House

I enjoyed reading the first act. I like Helmer's character very much. He's hard-working, loving and most importantly, righteous. As for Nora, I did not like her at the beginning but by the end of the first act, I couldn't help but to sympathize with her.
Krogstad has placed her in a very difficult position. How can she tell her husband the truth about her loan and forgary when she knows what his opinion is of those people who commit that crime? She cannot hide it from him though. Helmer seems to love her so much that I think he will be able to look past her mistake.
Also, another reason I don't dislike Nora as much as before is because I now realize how right Helmer and Mrs. Linde are when they say that Nora is a child. Nora is not one of those women that are aware of how corrupt the world really is and how difficult life is. She is not one of those women that chooses to ignore this world, she just simply does not know it. Like children, she indulges in life's pleasures such as her husbands money and spending time with her children because that is all she knows. Her intentions are good and I cannot dislike her for being ignorant or for being too much of a traditional wife for my own liking.

I am looking forward to see how she will handle her problem with Krogstad. I hope that by the end of the play, I am able to say that she went through a personal transformation that allowed her to grow as wife and as a human being.

Act II of A Doll's House

 
   The play deals with the emotions and feelings that are accompanied when you betray a loved one. Nora is trying to cover up her secret by begging that her husband Trovald who is manager at a bank, does not fire the employee that she has made a deal with. By doing so Krogstad, the employee, might expose her secret and she is fearful of how Trovald, her husband might react. Nora has even contemplated running away from her children and home instead of dealing with the repercussions of the wrath of her husband.
    When Nora turns to a mutual friend of her and her husband to ask to borrow money she is surprised to learn that her dying friend Dr. Rank is in love with her. Once she learns this, she cannot ask for his help and quickly tells Dr. Rank to not to not act on his feelings because they are inappropriate. I agree with her. When someone advances on their emotional feelings that are not mutual or in her situation she is married to his best friend, it can make you feel uncomfortable. The way that you used to act or talk can change because you are more aware of how your actions and you do not want to lead the other person on. In this type of situation, what was once a good friendship can quickly dissolve. I am sure that Trovald would quickly terminate his friendship with the Doctor if he knew that he was in love with his wife. On the other hand Dr. Rank is terminally ill with TB and he doesn't have much time to live. If I was on my death bed I am sure that I would have done the same thing. I believe that we should live with no regrets and we should appreciate the ones we love and let them know how we feel about them before it is too late. This is what I think Dr. Rank has done.

Axis of Justice

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Are you what you are

the work doesn't define who you are.  In Duffy's "Doing the Dirty Work", the husband says that " the man was a  mechanic at the shop who had asked the boss if he could take over the work of the recently fired "cleaning lady" to make extra money (117). He doesn't want to be cleaning lady. He just want to make extra money. His job doesn't define who he is

Are you what you do?

     I think it depends on what type of job/career you have that it will define some type of identity of who you are. In using semantics, your career is who you are whereas your job is just something you do to make money to get what you need at the moment, whether it's rent, mortgage, food and clothing. You wouldn't necessary love that certain job you have but you are doing it because its a need at the moment. Now your career is something you enjoy. Its something you hold with high self esteem and you would probably do it without getting paid. So overall your job is not who you are but its something you do. Your career is who you are its apart of you and that's why you chose that path as a career.

Duffy's "Doing The Dirty Work"

I've worked as a porter in Manhattan for the last 3 summers, and don't believe it defines me as who I am. It requires a lot of physical labor and cleaning which is not what I want to do, but without work there's no money. So i basically think just cause you work as something doesn't mean it defines who you are unless that's what your passionate about doing. Where i work they are usually immigrants that can barely speak English and are non union workers. In Duffy's "Doing The Dirty Work" states,  "To cut costs,building owners and managers have increasingly subcontracted out cleaning work to cleaning services as opposed to hiring employees with access to benefits and higher levels of protection"(122). The cleaning companies hire people and they before they can get in the union and have protection to keep their job, they get fired and the next guy comes in. They do this so that they can save money and use the workers without them being protected by the union.

Are you what you do?

Personally I feel you are what you do. Many of us always spill a bit of ourselves in what we do and it can be counted as creativity. Even if someone was forced to into a job they normally wouldn't do, they would shape themselves around it and it ends up becoming a part of who they are. Or you may end up learning something new about yourself that was always there but was not necessarily existent before.

Does your work define you/who you are?

"A student once told me about a scenario she observed at the service station where her husband works. As she stood in the shop, several of the mechanics and waiting customers laughed and made comments to the man who emptied trashcans and cleaned bathroom:

"He would make someone a great wife, don;t you think?"

"Look at how good he cleans!"

"Wanna come clean my house?"

When she asked her husband about it, he told her that the man was a mechanic at the shop who had asked the boss if he could take over the work of the recently fired "cleaning lady" to make some extra money." (117)

I believe that your work does not define you or who you are but that is not the way that society sees things. The scenario that was observed is a perfect example of how people judge someone by the type of work that they do. When the husband explains to his wife that he was merely taking the job of a "cleaning lady" for extra cash it's clear that the only reason he was doing that job was for the money. The people who ridiculed him for working a "womans" job were just basing him on the fact that he was doing all the cleaning around the station. Your work is simply just a way to live; it does not define your personality or the person that you are.

Bio of Jay-Z for poem presentation

Shawn Corey Carter known as Jay-Z was born December 4, 1969. He is one of HipHop's most known and successful rapper/ businessman. He was raised in Marcy projects and Brooklyn. He went from being a known drug dealer/ street hustler to owning a percentage of and being the face of the new Brookyn basketball team the Brooklyn Nets at the Barclays center.
Jay-Z change the face of HipHop with his style and skills. For ten years straight he put out platinum albums. Longest successful rapper to do that. He came out with a urban clothing line called Rocawear. From the beginning he made a smart decision when he came into the rap game.
His company Rocafella records gave rappers the opportunity to think outside the box by learning about the business before you indulge yourself in it.
They came in as an independent company and demanded more money and power once they partnered with a major label. At this time Rocafella records is still independent and Jay-Z have full ownership of it.

I believe you are not what you do. Society has its outline that dictate the normal jobs that a woman or man is suppose to. But it is up to us to find what we enjoy in life and find a job that suits you.

Doing the Dirty Work

Duffy makes reference to how cleaning, food, and laundry tasks are usually associated with women in a private household. However, she talks about how in a non domestic atmosphere these same tasks are not  mostly female. Female domination of domestic duties, has been overruled by a majority of men. Duffy refers to the 1960's when domestic occupations for women were 57 percent while for men it reached 63 percent and throughout decades males became the majority. This observation shows that sex segregation of occupations have evolved in society, and have become less about gender and more about work and getting the job done.

Doing the Dirty Work, Shaquesha Smith

Are you what you do?
I don't think people are the work they do because a job doesn't define who you are. For example people with domestics job are not just people who clean and do hard labor. They have lives outside of their work. As Duffy writes "Cleaning , food, and laundry tasks are overwhelmingly associated with women... " (4). That doesn't mean she is just a cleaning woman and nothing else.

Are you what you do?

Are you what you do? 
 In some cases we can agree that "You are what you do" but in other cases not. Most of the time, or we should say all the time, jobs are gendered, meaning that women do the light job, while men do the hard job. But what do we mean when we say "light job" or "hard job"?. When we think of a hair stylist, the first thing that comes to mind is a woman doing that job, but not necessary. Today we could see that there are a lot of men working in that field. Sometimes we have our jobs to support ourselves, that doesn't mean we love what we do, we do it because we have to.

are you what you do?/ kristel encarnacion

Are you what you do?


I have always felt that unfortunately the roles that we the people play in society are loosely based of the social roles that are assigned to us whether that its according to your gender or race. That is not to say that there are many people who defy those roles and look beyond what is expected to them. The writing by duffy discusses that alot of woman of ethnic races are often found in the "back room" as opposed to white woman who maintain more "public or supervisory roles" .

Are You what you do?

I think that you are what you do so you have to choose carefully !!!
If you choose to be a elemtary school teacher then you have to love children
If you work in a hospital it makes sense to like taking care of people etc

Are you what you do?

I don't think our jobs define who we are. I think our chosen careers define who we are.
When I think of the word "job", I think of those occupations that are only necessary to acquire because of financial needs. At times, we may enjoy these jobs but most of times, these jobs are tiring, boring and monotonous. In contrast, careers are usually chosen by us. We spend years in school learning and preparing for them. All of the time we invest in these careers slowly begin to change and shape us until we become reflections of our careers.
For example, I am a babysitter and housekeeper, yet I do not enjoy cleaning nor spending time with children. The time I spend at work does not define me.

Are you what you do?

are you what you do? can a job define who you are in life forever?

  In some cases i believe you are what you do, if your an officer of the law and take an oath to protect people and make there is safety then whenever there is trouble afoot you are suppose to help. Not only because its a moral responsibility but also its your job whether off duty or off. If you cannot help people anytime then why be an officer? This is just one example. Whether a firefighter, a doctor, a lifeguard, anything that has to do with life and the well being of others if it fits what you were trained for and what you know how to do then yes you are what you do. Forever. But in certain cases if you work in a restuarant or anything that has to do with just a regular wage then you are not defined by what you do. You can work anywhere like that and its just for a wage, you can always leave and find something better but it doesn't mean that's who you are in life.

are you what you do ?

I do not believe that your job reflects the person you are, it may affect how you act at times but does not define the person you truly are. Some people may not be happy with the jobs they have, which means the work one does not make up who u are. Maybe if you follow your dreams in your career it would say something about you like your a persistent person or a harder worker to reach for your goal, the actual job occupation doesn't define you.

"Are you what you do?" - Kerry

I believe what you do, does indeed define who you are. In many cases, people who have a general passion for their occupation, tend to apply it to their every day life. You become very experienced at it, you do it everyday, and before you know it you do it off the clock. Using sales associates for example, they become very persuasive and are more comfortable engaging in conversation with strangers. When you revolve your life around your job, it changes you. Sometimes for the better, the rest as a disadvantage depending on the job.

Are you what you do?

I don't believe that what you do defines who you are. I believe that who you are defines what you do. People aren't born as doctors, or teachers, or garbage collectors. The events in our lives and the choices we make, form us as individuals and lead us towards a certain occupation. People choose specific work forces for their own reasons- whether for money, passion, or convenience. Whichever reason it is, our personality is what led us there.

Extra Credit.

The article doing the dirty work talk about how jobs were gendered because women were the ones who did the light work and men the heavy. Doing the domestic work was part of the servants. The maid  had to stay in the house but now they work outside private houses.
Time has pasted fast and now men also do the work that only women did before. They also clean bathrooms but what happen when there are people who still think that men can do the dirty work that women do such as cleaning bathrooms.
There was this man who was cleaning the bathroom and many people make fun of him. There are not many men who do this kind of job so other people think that it is embarrassing.
It also talk about how a person can get infected with the airborne germs and that laundry workers should separated clothes not in terms of color or fabric but in term of disease.  Doing the dirty work is a job that requires a lot of care because the cleaners do not know the people that was there or used the clothes. Another point that the author does is that  the job that teachers and nurses do is not recognized for the scholar because it is associate with the feminine character of relationship.
What i think is that people get the job that most of the time is available for them, it probably can be seem as a weird thing because people who are related to him/her never did this kind of job such as cleaning.
What we have to point out is that jobs were gendered but it cannot not longer stay like that. People have to value the work that other people make for them.

doing the dirty work

While I was  reading "Doing the dirty work" I realized that even now in the 21st century jobs are still being categorized by gender. When we think of a housekeeper we automatically think of a women and when we think about a janitor we automatically think of a men. Even if men are doing cleaning jobs now the place where they work and the name they give the job makes a big difference. Most people think that a janitor's job it's hard and you need to be strong for it therefore we need men to do those types of jobs because they are strong.and  of course this is not necessarily true because housekeeping is as hard as being a janitor is but just because it's home related people associate house keeping with women..

Doing the dirty work

<p>Interesting reading.

<p>I want to talk about how disturbed I was when I was reading the "The bureaucratization of housecleaning" section. When Mignon was describing how the maids that belong to a cleaning organization must follow all of the rules placed by both the organization and the employers, I was shocked. I am a house keeper at a private home and I can't imagine what it would be like having to work under all of those conditions. These workers sound like robots that are controlled by their managers and clients. Also, it was disturbing to hear how the managers manipulate their workers by bringing them "doughnuts to the office in the morning and throwing birthday parties for them and explicitly [stating] that being part of the family is more important to them [workers]  than higher pay or benefits" (121).

Also on this section, Mignon writes "many clients chose corporate cleaning services and particularly request the workers come when they are not home to avoid being face to face with the uncomfortable reality of inequality" (121). I am unsure if Mignon  means the economic inquality between employer and employee or the occupational inequality between them based on the segregation of race and gender that Mignon writes about. This segregation and hierchy is what Mignon writes about in this chapter and it is the segregation that is usually acknowledged by the workers and by most of the general public, and this quote makes me wonder what the employers think about this. They too must also acknowledge it and maybe some are ashamed because in a way, by hiring maids and care-workers, they are contributing to society's stereotypes, as well as strengthing the racial and economic hierchy. 
In my experience, whenever I go to work and my employers are there, they usually tell me they will be leaving soon and that they will get out of my way. After reading this line, I wonder if they are as uncomfortable as I am when they are present?

Careers in Journalism Information Session on 11/14

The Journalism Committee is sponsoring a 'Careers in Journalism Information Session' for any
LaGuardia students who might be interested in pursuing the new Journalism Option in the Liberal Arts. 

The event will take place next Wednesday, 11/14, in Room E-500 from 2:30 pm - 4:00 pm.
The attached flyer provides some of the details.

Students will be able to hear from a panel of working journalists and recent LaGuardia students who 
have graduated and gone on to study Journalism at Brooklyn College (where we now have an articulation 
agreement to facilitate transfer). There will be an opportunity to meet the speakers and to ask questions.

Click on the link below to see a flyer for this event

careers_in_journalism

Extra Credit

I read the biography of Weldon Kees and I saw a connection to his sonnet “For My Daughter”.  In July 1955 Kees’ car was found deserted near a bridge and he was never seen or found again. It was mentioned that he talked about starting a new life somewhere else. The sonnet was written in 1940 during WWII “Death in certain war” (9). My interpretation of the sonnet tells me that the speaker/narrator looks at the U.S in that time, and thinks of how rough it is. He no longer agrees with living here and wouldn't like to bring a child into such a place “I have no daughter. I desire none” (14).

Shakespeare Sonnet

This poem is about unconditional love. This image reminded me of this poem because not many people have a long lasting relationship. The poem states that love shouldn't break when one finds faults. Marriage should be unbreakable, not a disposable paper.

Langston Hughes. Diana Barbecho

I searched for Langston Hughes' life and i founded interesting. When he wrote the poem "Mother to Son" he reflects how hard his life was since he was a kid. His parents got divorced, and he traveled around many countries. I think that traveling around many different countries is not easy because for me he probably faced poorness and lack of love which he did not received from both of his parents.

In the poem he wrote: "And reachin' landin's,(line 9)
                                        And turnin' corners" ( line10)
when he writes this two lines i think that it is a reflection of how hard it was for him to live in the time when there was a lot of discrimination, and how hard it was for him to be recognized as a poet.

His poems were also criticized  by many intellectuals because they did not want him to show that black people life's was very hard. I think that they felt embarrassed but Langston Hughes did not because that was how life was for him. It was difficult, full of struggles but nothing far to reach.
In conclusion his poem "Mother to Son" say so much about his life. He faced many struggles as a kid and as an adult. By writing this poem Langston Hughes just want to encourage the readers that if he could do it, they also can.

biography Weldon Kees - extra credit

I researched the biography of Weldon Kees based on the poem "For My Daughter." Weldon Kees began publishing in 1934 and sold multiples of stories during 1934-1945. The biography of the poet relates to the poet's sonnet to some extent. The poem was written in 1940 during that time he was still married to his wife Ann Swan. In the poem the poet is referring to a daughter that he never had, coming to a closure that perhaps his wife was not able to have kids theirfor he was never able to experience the role of being a father which could have caused him to become depressed and no long want one , "I have no daughter. I desire none." (Kees 14). Shortly after, Weldon and his wife Ann divored in 1952, for all one knows that could have been the reason for their seperation.

extra credit number 3

I interpret it as a woman who has found all attempts at connecting to someone else at the soul level sadly wanting, so what is left is the physical gestures of the hopes she had: the lips, the arms. She speaks of them as disembodied symbols and there is no need to be specific about which they belonged to. The metaphor is the lonely tree standing alone in the dormant winter, knowing that the birds she held in her branches in the most vibrant time of life are absent. The last line is both a fond remembrance and a goodbye. She acknowledges connectedness by its absence. The picture in the right looks like how her heart looks from within and the picture on the left shows a promiscuous women jus like how she is looked on from the outside.

extra credit

the image I chose reflects my interpretation of  "What lips my lips have kissed, and where, and why" because in the poem the tree is a symbol for the speaker; she feels like a tree in the winter lonely and cold. In the picture there is a woman in the background of the tree.The men in the side of the pictures are the past lovers that the speaker talks about. The women looks thoughtful which is probably because she is thinking and reminiscing about her past lovers.

Extra Credit

This picture represents my interpretation of "What my lips have kissed, and where, and why". In my opinion, the poem is about a woman that has had many sexual partners but has never found the  love that she years for. In this picture, the narrator is in bed after her intimate partner has left her place. The open window represents her open doors to the many men she has been with, as well as her open heart that wants to be loved. She is looking outside of this window, searching for the love that will give her the light in her life that she desires but all she sees is darkness.

Extra Credit

This image reflects the idea of immortality of true love in Shakespeare's sonnet "Let me not to  the marriage of true minds". The image shows a couple who embrace one another, with the words that follow "True love never dies it only gets stronger with time". This connects to Shakespeare's defense of true love as constant, and able to defeat the cruel hands of time. The image shows that love is eternal, and is not threatened by time but instead it grows with time into something much deeper and bigger than time itself. In Shakespeare's sonnet despite the power of time and chance "Love's not Time's fool" ( Shakespeare line 9), although time is the greatest destroyer and controller of life love can up stand time because it is not an object nor nature that can be destroyed physically by time, its a sentimental and profound feeling, that people will carry with them after death, but also leave behind for others.

EXTRA CREDIT

I believe that this painting has a connection with the sonnet "For my daughter " written by Weldon Kees. The reason is associate this painting to the sonnet is because when I read the sonnet, it was about a father that creates an image in his head of how he will feel if he will have a daughter and she will be sick. I think that image, make him feel sad and that is why at the end of the sonnet he says "I have no daughter. I desire none"(14).We can see in this painting how the child is sick and how the parent is suffering  even though  it is only a painting and this image is reflected in it. This painting gives you a felling of pain, therefore when I read the sonnet I felt that maybe he had the same image in his head and he was trying to avoid the pain and suffering he would felt in his life if this image will be real.

Extra Credit

I Chose this image, because i think it represents the poem "Let me not to the marriage of true minds" By William Shakespeare. In this picture you can see a couple that even though there's a wall separating them they manage to be together. "...Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove:
O no! it is an ever-fixed mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;
It is the star to every wandering bark,
Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken." Because love is not all about happiness and peace, you will have to fight and overcome the storms to enjoy the sunny days. 

Extra Credit

I search the biography of Edna St. Vincent Millay. It claims, " Millay engaged in affairs with several different men, she believed that love could not endure, that ultimately the grave would have her lover, a sentiment expressed in the line"(web). Thus, in her sonnet, "What lips my lips have kissed, and where, and why", she says, "What lips my lips have kissed, and where, and why,/ I have forgotten, and what arms have lain.(1-2). Love is forgettable for her.Her love is dreary and lonely like "in the winter stands the lonely tree,/ Nor knows what birds have vanished one by one"(9-10).

extra credit

I believe the picture i chose describes the poem " Let me not to the marriage of true minds " (William Shakespeare).  The reason  why i chose this poem is because it shows a couple that seem to be going through a rough time however their sticking together and comforting each other.
Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks
With his bending sickle's compass come;
Love alters not with his  brief hours and weeks'
But bears it out even to the edge of doom (9-12)
These lines explain that love could face very tough hardships,but it takes some time and patience motivation to keep pushing through and making the relationship work.

Extra credit

This picture best represents my interpretation of Let me not to the marriage of  true minds. I think a lot of people would like to find someone they can grow old with and this picture represents the kinda love most people dream of but only a few find it. The kinda love that can survive whatever hardships life may dish out and through it all still manage to stay together. In the end love never change, people change. They die. 

Hope all of you voted!

Post for Thursday, Nov. 8= extra credit

On Thursday, November 8, we will back track a bit and return to our discussion of the sonnet. Thus far we have read three sonnets: William Shakespeare's "Let me not to the marriage of true minds" (also known as Sonnet 116), Edna St. Vincent Millay's "What lips my lips have kissed, and where, and why", and Weldon Kees' "For My Daughter."

Since you have already posted your thoughts about all these poems, this Thursday's post will count as extra credit (i.e. if you missed a post in the past, this will make up for it).
For this post, please choose ONE of the following three options:

A.) Go to one of these poetry websites- http://www.poets.org/ , http://www.poetryfoundation.org/- or to Google, and read the biography of one of the poets whose sonnet we have read. Then in a paragraph (no longer than 6 sentences) explain whether the biography of the poet is in any way related to the poet’s sonnet we have read.

B.)Choose either Millay's sonnet or Kees' sonnet, and explain in a paragraph (no longer than 6 sentences) whether the sonnet of your choice is a Shakespearean sonnet (English sonnet) or a Petrarchan sonnet (Italian sonnet), and how does the particular sonnet structure work/help/support the overall point the speaker makes in that sonnet?

C.) Reread one of the three sonnets, as well as what you've posted about it on the class blog few weeks ago. Then find an image which captures your interpretation of the sonnet, and post it on the class blog. Along with the image, in your post, include a brief (no longer than 6 sentences) explanation of how the image reflects your interpretation of the sonnet.

"Doing the dirty work"


I think in there not much discrimination in work place as before. There many types of works where people can work and got the experience. Form instances, men and women do the same job, example some and men work cleaning house, building and hospital and restaurants. So I think the percentage of the both gender doing the same job  have increase in any area or field  of  work place where only men or women used to do it.  

"Doing the Dirty Work" My take on the statistics

Ok, so the work is obviously genderized. Although, even though the two jobs have distinct differences such as "working in a private home or establishment..." and "working in a building.." (Mignon 119) they can still be contrasted. They do primarly the same work but in a different matter. The maid's job is described as "light" (Mignon 118) and I disagree. Anything that's a musculoskeletal threat is actually a hard job. The janitors were not told to go through work such as that. The maids may actually work harder than the janitors considering all the other negative perks of working within someone's household.

My question is, since there IS such a thing as a "live-in cook," Would the job still be feminized and be considered light if it were a male working within an establishment or private home? And lets not forget the janitors, female janitors exist. If the maid work is described as "light" (Mignon 118) but is actually more life-threating, how well would a female janitor operate in an office building where the work is considered "heavy" (Mignon 118) possibly through a male perspective?

I can say that i have experience doing this type of work and in some extend i can say that many  people don't appreciate when they get serve.Serving people it is not sometimes a great experience i am currently a waitress and sometimes people think that because i am one they have to put me down and i actually have to "serve them " and do anything to make them happy. I cant say that everyone is like that but some people are and it makes it difficult i can compare after reading "Dirty Work " by Mignon Duffy to some of the examples that he uses that before this type of work was seeing as part of being a domestic servants my question is Do we think that people still think that people that do this type of work are servants or is only a job ?