LIVED DOMESTICITIES
Friday, October 5, 2012
Is Female to Male as Nature Is to Culture?
A lot of people may say that because god created man first that they are closer to culture and that women were only created to give birth to life. With that idea in head men have looked down on women, that because god created women from from one of man's rib that women are beneath them. That's if you believe in the story of Adam and Eve.The society in which we live has made it seem that women are closer to nature because women had no say in anything all they could do was stay home and take care of the kids and things around the house. I feel like there is no right or wrong answer and since there is no proof this will forever be an ongoing debate like nature to nurture.
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i agree with everything that Michelle D stated because it is true that this is an ongoing belief that will forever be debated because many people turn to the religious aspect of things. Many may say women are beneath men but women have proven their value in life of not jus being a house wife and mother. Society has made us believe that things are supposed to be a certain way but no one will ever really truly know we follow what were taught.
ReplyDeleteI agree as well, it gets pretty confusing in the social versus religious debate. In a religious perspective men are depicted as an independent creation of their own, while women are seen as dependent on man's creation, as they are created from one of man's ribs. In society's perspective men are seen as the substantial gender, while women are seen as the subordinate gender. Whether through religious or societal image, these images unfortunately stick and end up inaccurately defining gender.
ReplyDeleteMichelle- yes, society has relegated women to the home because they have been associated with nature. You state that "women had no say in anything all they could do was stay home and take care of the kids and things around the house"- does Ortner's article support your observation? See what she says on page 15. Also, it is a bit problematic to follow the argument that "women were created to give birth to life" as some women are unable to have children, and in today's day and age, decide not to have any children? When you write "there is no right or wrong answer", what is the question you have in mind? How does the debate of nature versus nurture relate to Ortner's argument?
ReplyDeleteSukari- But Ortner does not cite religion as an example or proof of her argument? Why are women, according to Ortner, in most cultures around the world associated with nature but not equated with nature? Look at what Ortner says on page 19.
Melinda- does Ortner include any religious examples to support her argument? If women are "man's creation" and men are the 'substantial gender", why are women the ones who give birth to men? How does Ortner distinguish between women's and men's ability to create( see page 16)?
I agree this will be an ongoing debate for an extremely long time. Certain places have it very bad when it comes to women rights and what they can or cannot do. I personally believe that everybody should have an equal say to do or act and me being a male can say that Ive grown up to be taught the same thing when it comes to females and males...males have to work and get the money and that's how its suppose to be while the women stay home and cook and clean and raise the babies...i argue back with people about this but many older generations just have this stuck in their minds without realizing how easier it can be if both work together or matter of fact even if a female has a better job then the Male..so what? People just have this twisted set of pride and morals and feel belittled. A man can just as much do the same things a female does and vise versa, only thing different is your gender
ReplyDeleteYou make several good points Edgar- about past generations and how it is not unheard of for the woman to make more money and for her husband to stay at home. Yet society is suspicious of nontraditional gender behavior. This is very much the issue in Simpson's "Night Thoughts" wouldn't you agree?
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